<div>Hi Ulla,</div>
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<div>You are correct; the 2 bibs for "Swimsuit" on CD are the same, and neither mentions that is a "library edition" or any other special edition. I have merged the 2 records. In the future we should probably make sure that any library editions should be noted as such in the bib record.</div>
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<div>In my personal opinion, it does add some possible confusion to the OPAC when there are separate bibs for similar items when the only difference is in the publisher, but I really am reluctant to bend too many rules. I think that just adds to confusion down the road; the more we change the rules to suit ourselves, the harder it gets to remember what's correct and what's not. I'm not trying to lecture to anyone about this... This is just what I think is right.</div>
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<div>Perhaps what needs to happen is for circ staff to be aware of where the holds are and try to help the patron get the material as soon as possible. I don't think that's the cataloger's primary responsibility.</div>
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<div>sorry for the confusion!</div>
<div>thanks,</div>
<div>Ellen<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Ulla Messerschmidt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:umesserschmidt@thomas.lib.me.us">umesserschmidt@thomas.lib.me.us</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">Hi all,</font></div><br>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">I just want to make sure that we are on the same page. I have never advocated that we merge bibs with different publishers. </font></div>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">Debbie's example of Swimsuit by Patterson have the same publisher and both have the ISBN 1600245919, so I'm still confused. </font></div>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">There is also no mention of a library edition in the bib with 10 holds, which is why most patrons would be completely unaware of what</font></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">the packaging is like. I am sure many of the 10 patrons on hold on one of the bibs would rather be moved over Lithgow's item with no reserves. </font></div>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense to me. </font></div>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">Ulla</font></div>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">Hi Debbie & all,</font></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0"> </font></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">The current Minerva standard requires unique bib records for different editons of audiobooks, even if the only difference is the publisher.</font></div>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">Thanks,</font></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">Ellen</font></div><br>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Ulla Messerschmidt <</font><a href="mailto:umesserschmidt@thomas.lib.me.us" target="_blank"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" size="+0">umesserschmidt@thomas.lib.me.us</font></a><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="+0">> wrote:</font></div>
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<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">Hi Debbbie,</font></div><br>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">I think that it would be a lot more user friendly for patrons and staff</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">alike if audiobooks on CD could be combined if they only differ in the way</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">they are packaged. All ISBNs should of course in that case be present in the chosen bib. </font></div>
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<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">It would be consistent with the current practice of combining paperbacks</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">with hardcovers and videotapes combined with older videotapes if they are</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">remakes of the original. Videotapes are also often packaged different</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">ways, some in sturdy cases and some in paperboard sleeves. </font></div>
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<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">This would solve the problem of having 10 holds on one bib and none on the</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">other as In the case of "Swimsuit".</font></div>
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<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">By the way, we also put all our books on CD in sturdy cases at TML.</font></div>
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<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">Ulla</font></div>
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<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">"Debbie Lozito" <</font><a href="mailto:debbie.lozito@edythedyer.lib.me.us" target="_blank"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" size="+0">debbie.lozito@edythedyer.lib.me.us</font></a><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">></font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">writes:</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">>lit, apl ,bml ,cfl ,cam ,edl ,mca ,otp ,opl ,rkd ,wlk ,wel</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">></font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">>I recall hearing at one of the catalogers’ meetings that if content is</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">>identical and the distributor is the only difference items can be on</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">>the same record; just add the ISBNs. Lithgow’s item is on its own</font></div>
<div style="PADDING-LEFT: 12px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="+0">>record, but I’d like to see it added to b27000667. Is that okay?</font></div>
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