[minervacirc] not needed before and freezing holds - pleasediscuss!

Marie Morey mmorey at gray.lib.me.us
Tue Dec 8 12:06:49 EST 2009

I am in favor of turning the feature off if it's not working the way the
patron would like. We did in fact have one on Saturday--it was a tad
crazy in here with our annual gingerbread house building event (135
houses constructed) and one staff member trying to fill ill's. She could
see the hold but couldn't understand why when she tried to activate it
that it wouldn't fill. It would be a nice feature if the hold didn't
show up until it was supposed to. 


-----Original Message-----
From: minervacirc-bounces at informe.org
[mailto:minervacirc-bounces at informe.org] On Behalf Of Joyce Wiebe
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:35 AM
To: Alisia Revitt; minervacirc at lists.maine.gov
Subject: Re: [minervacirc] not needed before and freezing holds -

If the functions are inhibiting patrons from getting the items they 
want, then I am in favor of turning off the functions.  It will be 
interesting to see what the patrons' reactions are to these actions 
but if it helps us produce better service, I'm all for it.  Joyce

> Hi, All.
> A while ago now, at my first circ meeting there was some discussion
> patrons using Not Needed Before (NNB) and/or freezing their holds.
> was some debate about how these differed and on their effects.  I've
> some investigating and here are the results and a point for
> Please use minervacirc to discuss and share your opinions as we might
in a
> circ meeting.
> given
> 1. Using Not Needed Before is a Bad Thing because it causes headaches
> libraries when printing out pull slips.  If a NNB hold is on an
> item, it will keep paging pull slips for the item, but when the puller
> to check them in to put into transit, there is no hold to fill,
> it's  not needed yet.  Multiply by however many days till the NNB
> and you get much frustration.  (Additionally, I am concerned that
there may
> be some effects with holds "expiring", although I'm not sure.  I'm
> always concerned about this happening after this summer!)
> 2. Freezing holds is essentially the same as
Not-Needed-Before-today+255.  I
> have looked into the guts of how freezing works, and what it's doing
> setting a not needed before date of 255 days in the future.  (Why 255?
> Search me!)  I have also seen a case of the repeating paging slip from
> frozen hold.
> 3. Unfortunately both NNB and freezing are by the patrons themselves
> their online patron records, so there isn't much that circ staff can
do to
> prevent these, even though I know that many of you have tried.
> therefore
> 4. I would suggest that we turn off and hide the ability to change Not
> Needed Before and Freeze holds in the patron view.  I CAN do this
> some research), but I did not want to make the decision unilaterally.
> Also, if someone you work with should be on this list and is not,
> forward this and encourage her/him to sign up to the minervacirc-l
list at
> http://mailman.informe.org/mailman/listinfo/minervacirc.
> Thank you!
> Alisia
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Alisia Revitt
> Systems Training and Support Librarian
> Maine InfoNet
> alisia.revitt at maineinfonet.org

Joyce Murdoch Wiebe
Orono Public Library
39 Pine St.
Orono, ME 04473

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